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Basic Information [credit to ZullieTheWitch]

UPDATE: New Updated Version 1 made by DrAnger on July 2018. New Updated Version 2 made by DrAnger on October 2018. For more information on current status of save-editing hex research in Chalice Dungeons visit the Tomb Prospectors - Hex Research Central spreadsheet.

General For Root Dungeons there are two sets of 100 possible layouts, which ZullieTheWitch has been calling 100a and 100b. It seems that only Depth 5 dungeons and Depth 4 Loran have 100b layouts. Every Depth 1, 2, or 3 Dungeon and Pthumeru 4 only have 100a. With 15 different Root Chalices, there should altogether be a grand total of 2,200 potential nonstory dungeons. ZullieTheWitch

Example of Chalice Dungeon made by ZullieTheWitch. Above are highlighted the parts that are going to be important.
1. Area and Depth: This byte controls what kind of dungeon it's going to be. You can see the example is a Depth 5 Loran.	Value Labyrinth Depth 0A Pthumeru 1 14 Pthumeru 2 15 Hintertomb 2 1E Pthumeru 3 1F Hintertomb 3 28 Pthumeru 4 2A Loran 4 32 Pthumeru 5 34 Loran 5 35 Isz 5
2. Layout Seed: This is where it actually gets the general layout of the chalice from.
3. Treasure Room: This should control whether or not you can access an additional treasure room, similar to the 4th layer.
4. Fourth Layer: In 3 layer chalices, this will be FF FF FF FF. Changing it to 00 00 00 3C will dispel the illusory wall hiding the 4th layer.
5-8. The Rite slots: These will all be lines of FF if the dungeon doesn't have the Rites added. In order here, the rite slots have the values for: > Fetid Offering > Rotted Offering > Curse > Sinister Bell, [Rotted Rite Testing]
9. PSN: You'll see the PSN of the chalice's creator here.
10. Conductor: Self-explanatory. This will be the easiest way to find the chalice structure though. Just search the first four letters of your name, reversed, as text and it should bring you right to it. For example, you'll see on the right "HuZ”.
All you're going to need to do is create a chalice, and then plug in the values for the rites as you see them here. It seems like you can have them in any order.

Notes

In every normal Root dungeon, the first byte is 00 or 01, and in every Sinister Dungeon it’s 14 or 15. In Story dungeons, it seems to always be 5A Additionally, the second byte seems to only go up to 63. Anything higher will crash the game 00 is also reserved for Story dungeons.

The way the game seems to handle the fourth layer is by having a sort of Illusory Wall at the end of the boss room that just can't be broken. In a regular dungeon, all the information for the fourth layer is already there and what you're really doing is just forcing it to choose to reveal it. In a Sinister dungeon, it doesn't quite work out.

It might still be possible to end up with a four layer Sinister dungeon by turning a regular dungeon into a Sinister dungeon. It's possible a regular four layer dungeon with the Sinister Bell rite applied to it still won't generate the spawnpoints for the Bell Maidens.

Rotted Rite Testing: There are 10 different bytes in the Rotted rite which control what Rotted enemies will spawn in your dungeon. This byte will vary every time you create a dungeon with Rotted rite applied, meaning that the same dungeon can have different Rotted enemies in the same spawnpoints - this is actually one of those things that can sometimes create an illusion of randomness, making it seem like there are more dungeon layouts than there actually is. For more information visit Rotted Rite Testing wiki page.

Oil Smoke: Unused additional dungeon effect - "oil smoke". It does behave like poison smoke but visually it's pitch black. When running through it you will be afflicted with "Oil" effect, same as with being hit with Oil Urn or running in oil puddles. [image]

Shadow Dungeons: In the files you can find for example "Shadow Loran", where it's a prefix like Sinister, Fetid, Rotted, and Cursed. It turns out Shadow was just an earlier version of Fetid. To explain that a bit better, let the numbers show what that means. Lower Loran is 502000. Fetid Lower Loran is 502110, Rotted is 502200, Cursed is 502700. There's a Depth 3 Loran listed as 302000. The Shadow Loran is 302110, sharing the same last digits with the Fetid dungeons. So, the likely explanation is that they went back and changed all instances of Shadow over to Fetid only in the dungeons that made it into the game. The Shadow prefix only exists in dungeons like Depth 5 Hintertomb, which can't be generated ingame, and takes Fetid's place.

Save-edited Chalice Dungeons

Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout	Pthumerian Labyrinth with Isz layout	Empty entrance for 4th layer [nzzn259g]

False Depth Chalice Dungeons

By using false depth dungeons you can significantly shorten your journey to the F/R/C Isz Gravestone. Follow this document for optimal path and farming.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses			Description
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	jgn2jkkw	Explored 18-11-17	Maneater Boar	Beast-possessed Soul	Bloodletting Beast	Depth 5 Pth.Labyrinth, enemy HP/Blood Echoes, drop pool and chest loot of depth 5 (e.g. Ritual Blood(5)); Oedon Writhe (tier 3) in first bonus room & Clockwise Metamorphosis (tier 3) - treasure coffins on Layer 1, side area before layer boss. L2: Ring of Betrothal. L3: Blood Rock
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	ahg38eit	Explored 18-11-17	Blood-starved Beast	Loran Silverbeast	Abhorrent Beast	Pth. Labyrinth with Loran layout; Clawmark (tier 3) - treasure coffin on L1. L2 second bonus room: Waning odd bolt gem in a chest (+47.3 flat bolt), 1x Red Jelly in coffin. Waning Fire +20.3% in Layer 3 2nd bonus room. Layer 3 second bonus room - fire sickle madman drops cursed waning gems (20.3% physical + up to 16.9 flat phys secondary effect). NOTE - This is a clone of FRC Loran 6q77zr9h, major difference at Layer 2 - Pthumerian rifle enemy with dogs instead of Bone Ash and Cainhurst Hunter.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	dtx7qxbq	Explored 18-11-17	Watchers & Chieftain	Keeper of the Old Lords	Pthumerian Descendant	Depth 4 Pth.Labyrinth; L1 main room: BPS in cave near the lever. Blood Rapture (tier 2) - treasure coffin on Layer 1. L2 first bonus room: Shadow of Yharnam (mace variant), Uncanny Ludwig's Holy Blade. L3 first bonus room: Lake rune tier 2. L3 main room: 2x Sage's Hair.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	p2tbyrh2	Explored 18-11-17	Maneater Boar	Undead Giant (Blades)	Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos	Pth.Labyrinth with Isz layout, L3 has illusory wall in very uncommon place; Eye (tier 3) - treasure coffin on Layer 1; Odd Arcane Gem (add arcane ATK +30.4), ritual blood (5). L1 brainsucker in main room can be farmed for physical triangles with flat arcane secondary effect. L2 first bonus room: Great Lake. L2 main room: 3x Sage's Hair in chest. Odd Arcane triangle gem (Add arcane ATK +43.8) in a blue-lit chest guarded by a pig. L3 first bonus room: Kin Coldblood (12), Pearl Slugs and more Kin Coldblood(12) behind illusory wall upstairs. Kin Coldblood(12), Blue Elixir and Sedatives in a room with two spider summoning maidens. 1x Yellow Backbone in a coffin. L3 main area: Great One's Wisdom. Bonus area behind yellow door: treasure room with Blood Rock, 1x Red Jelly and Pearl Slugs.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	dgt23fwp	Explored 18-11-17	Loran Silverbeast	Beast-possessed Soul	Loran Darkbeast	Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout; Anticlockwise Metamorphosis (tier 3); L2: main area: 1x Beast Blood Pellet, another two Beast Blood Pellets in bonus area from cave under entrance. 6x Bloodming Coldblood Flower in chest guarded by madman. L3 first bonus area: Kin Coldblood(12), 4x Bastard of Loran, 4x Beast Blood Pellet, Fading Lake. L3 main area: 2x Kin Coldblood(12).
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	nzzn259g	Explored 18-11-17	Beast-possessed Soul	Loran Silverbeast	Pthumerian Elder	Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout; empty entrance for 4th layer; Uncanny Burial Blade - treasure coffin on Layer 1, second bonus room: Dissipating Lake. L2 main area: 1x Kin Coldblood(11). Pre-boss bonus area: Clear Deep Sea, 3x Sage's Hair in big chest, 1x Beast Blood Pellet. Activating lever can be skipped through bonus area within main room. Entrance for 4th layer but you will fall through the map.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	9x9gipey	Explored 18-11-17	Watchers & Chieftain	Brainsucker	Pthumerian Elder	Pthumerian Labyrinth with Isz layout. L1 first bonus room: Odd Arcane triangle gem (+29.3 flat arcane), Lost Threaded Cane. L2 main area: 1x Kin Coldblood(10), 1x Kin Coldblood(11), pre-boss bonus room: 2x Yellow Backbone, 1x Kin Coldblood(10). Empty treasure room behind illusory wall. L3 first bonus room: 1x Great One's Wisdom, Odd Arcane blood gem in chest (Add arcane ATK+47.3), Odd Arcane blood gem in coffin (Add arcane ATK+45.5). L3 second bonus area has a room with 5 Brainsuckers and 4 Scourge Beasts (Iron Man Challenge) + Chest with 1x Red Jelly.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	xc284ugx	Explored 19-11-17	Beast-possessed Soul	Undead Giant (Hook)	Bloodletting Beast (Headless)	Depth 5 Pth.Labyrinth, L1: pre-lamp has top tier Communion, pre-boss has top tier Formless Oedon. Main room: knights with flaming swords near the lamp drop cursed radials (22.3% phys + add phys ATK +8.1) and can be farmed for Yellow Backbone. L2 first bonus room: 2x Sage's Hair in a coffin. L3 first bonus room: 3x Sage's Hair in a coffin. L3 main area: 3x Yellow Backbone, 4x Red Jelly, Great One Coldblood and tons of Tomb Mould(5) in the swamp. L3: lost reiterpallasch in main area.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses			Description
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	5jne4scm	Explored 01-12-17	Keeper of the Old Lords	Maneater Boar	Amygdala	Depth 4 Pth.Labyrinth; Logarius' Uncanny Wheel in L1 first bonus room, Uncanny Chikage in L2 first bonus room, L3 lever can be skipped through the bonus area, Tier 3 Blood Rapture in second bonus room
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	9nheuvvz	Explored 25-11-17	Keeper of the Old Lords	Watchdog of the Old Lords	Bloodletting Beast (Headless)	Depth 5 Pth.Labyrinth; Lost Chikage - treasure coffin on Layer 1; Fire-sickle madman in first bonus room drops cursed radials (20.3% physical + up to 16.9 flat phys secondary effect, or if you're really lucky, ~10% Phys UP at full HP secondary effect)! Beast-Possessed Soul enemy nearby (you can bait him to fight other enemies for easy echoes). L2 Communion, oil field and BPS, L3 Great One Coldblood x6, Red Jelly x3.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	wkzxrvfz	Explored 05-01-18	Loran Silverbeast	Undead Giant(Cannon)	Amygdala, L4: Loran Darkbeast	Pthumerian labyrinth with Loran layout (depth 4), L1 first bonus room - Lost Stake Driver, 2nd bonus room - Lost Tonitrus. L2 first bonus room: 6x Blooming Coldblood Flower in a coffin. L2 main room: 3x Blooming Coldblod Flower in a chest. L2 post-gate bonus room: red aura madman guarding chest with x2 Bastard of Loran, x1 red jelly in coffin. L3 main area: 2x Beast Blood Pellet, 5x Blooming Coldblood Flower. L3 second bonus room: 2x Beast Blood Pellet, Kin Coldblood(12), 1x Bastard of Loran, Dissipating lake. L4 first bonus room: Pulsing blood gem in a coffin (HP continues to recover +3), 2x Bastard of Loran and Madman's Knowledge behind illusory wall. L4 main room: 7x Blooming Coldblood Flower in a chest. L4 second bonus room: 1x Great One Coldblood, 4x Bastard of Loran, 12x Blooming Coldblood Flower in a coffin.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	fearrfan	Explored 05-01-18	Loran Silverbeast	Beast-possessed Soul	Abhorrent Beast	Depth 4 Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout. L1: Uncanny Beast Claw, Uncanny Tonitrus. L2 first bonus room: 2x Coldblood Flower Bulb, Odd Fire Blood Gem in a coffin (Add fire ATK +40.3). L3 main area: red aura madman near lamp (drops cursed gems). 5x Coldblood Flower Bulb, 4x Blooming Coldblood Flower
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	4f3x2uc6	Explored 05-01-18	Beast-possessed Soul	Pthumerian Descendant	Headless BLB L4: BLB	Pthumerian labyrinth (depth 5), L1 first bonus room - Communion +5, x2 Ritual Blood (5) 2nd bonus room - Lost Reiterpallasch, x2 Ritual Blood (5), L2: x5 Tomb Mold (5), L3 main room: ritual blood 5 x4, L4: yellow backbone x5, red jelly x4.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	f3cz4awe	Explored 05-01-18	Brainsucker	Maneater Boar	Celestial Emissary L4: Amygdala	Pthumerian labyrinth with Isz layout (depth 5), L1 first bonus room - gun Watcher that drops cursed circle gems (Bloodtinge gems up to 30.4% blood damage), Lost Threaded Cane. L2: 3x Sage's Hair, pos-gate bonus room treasure coffin: arcane triangle gem +21.8%arc, Pearl Slug x2 and Ritual Blood (5), L3 first bonus room: x1 Red Jelly, x3 Great One's Wisdom, L3 first bonus room: Yellow Backbone x1 in chest; Pearl Slug x2, Ritual Blood (5) x2, L4 first bonus room: Sage Hair x5, Tomb Mould (5) x2, Pear Slug x2, Pearl Slug x5 in treasure chest, guarded by 3 werewolves. Dungeon layout is favorite Bloodtinge farming glyph y592byza.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	6s46u7i4	Explored 05-01-18	Maneater Boar,	Watchers	Headless BLB L4: Pthumerian Descendant	Pthumerian labyrinth (depth 5), L1 first bonus room - Lost Blade of Mercy, , cleaver Watcher guarding chest drops ~20% physical radials.1x Ritual Blood (5) in chest on terrace. L2 Lost Chikage, Shadow of Yharnam (mace version) in first bonus room, 5x Tomb Mould(5) in a chest nearby, 2x Yellow Backbone in big chest guarded by shotgun Watcher. L2 main room: 2x Ritual Blood(5) on a corpse near entrance, L3 first bonus room: 1x Great One Coldblood, 3x Red Jelly guarded by rolling fatty. Main room: 1x Great One Coldblood. Second bonus room: Lost Reiter. L4 Old Great One Coldblood, 4x Yellow Backbone.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses			Description
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	s9fzztyf	Explored 12-08-18	Undead Giant (Cannon)	Watchers	Headless BLB	False depth pthumeru dungeon with Isz gem effects. Merciless Watcher in first bonus room can be farmed for 20% fire/bolt/arcane gems. Unlock the shortcut for fast run. L1 first bonus room: 4x ritual blood 5 in coffin room, 2x ritual blood 5 in another room. L2 main layer: 2x sage's hair, preboss room: 2x tomb mold 5, 2x ritual blood 5 near swamp center. L3 main layer: 3x tomb mold 5 + 2x yellow backbone on upper level of ring. Gargoyles right of lamp, and Great One Coldblood. 2x ritual blood 5, 4x tomb mold 5, Coffin above big chamber: Oedon Writhe 3, 1x numbing mist.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	3se6ayca	Explored 31-08-18	BPS	Undead Giant (Sickle)	Headless BLB	False depth Pthumeru dungeon with Loran effect. Loot on L1: Communion + Formless Oedon. A copy of xc284ugx. Two labyrinth warriors near L1 lamp drop radials with Loran effects (22.3% fire/bolt with a random Loran secondary effect).
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	6gn7kd3v	Explored 31-08-18	Watchers	Brainsucker	Ebrietas	False depth Pthumerian Labyrinth with Isz layout. L1 first bonus room: Blood Rock in a coffin (can only be looted once). L2 bonus area within main room: Deep Sea tier 3
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	xa9gkumh	Explored 31-08-18	BPS	Watchers	Pthumerian Descendant	False depth Pthumerian Labyrinth. L1 first bonus room: Uncanny Threaded Cane. Second bonus room: Uncanny Saw Spear.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	vqpdzv9z	Explored 31-08-18	Watchers	Brainsucker	Amygdala	False depth Pthumerian Labyrinth with Isz layout. L1 first bonus room: Lost Kirkhammer. L2 first bonus room: Ludwig's Lost Holy Blade.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	4kx6eayh	Explored 31-08-18	Watchdog	Headless BLB	Pthumerian Elder	False depth Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout. L1 second bonus room: Uncanny BoM. L2 second bonus room: Fading Lake tier 3.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	ku8vf5xs	Explored 28-10-18	L Silverbeast	BPS	Amygdala	False depth Pthumerian Labyrinth with Loran layout (depth 5). L1 first bonus room: Bolt waning gem (20.3%) in a coffin. Can only be looted once. Two big and one small Wandering Nightmare nearby. L2 first bonus room: Clawmark rune tier 3. L3 pre boss bonus room: Beast rune tier 3.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	v3nxwjrq	Explored 28-10-18	Undead Giant (double sickle)	Watchers	BLB(head)	False depth Pthumerian Defilement (depth 4). First bonus room: Ludwig's Uncanny Holy Blade. Second bonus room: Uncanny Reiterpallasch. L2 first bonus room: double chest (first can be duped). 5x Inflicted Organ, 2x Sage's Hair, Uncanny Chikage in coffin. 2x Ritual Blood(5) in main room. L2 Second bonus room: 3x Tomb Mold(4) in coffin. L3 second bonus room: Tomb Mold(4) x4.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	wxncg3sg	Explored 28-10-18	Brainsucker	Watchers	Celestial Emissary L4 Ebrietas	False depth Isz chalice, copy of 6q2imuex/smki9ww3, generated for early game FRC farming. 2x Ritual Blood very close to L1 lamp. Total loot: 16 Ritual Blood 5, 35 Tomb Mould 5, 17 Pearl Slugs, 10 Bastards of Loran, 9 Yellow Backbone,10 Red Jelly, 12 Sage's Hair. More information in "the real ultimate ritual material dungeon" reddit post.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	94hadvvn	Explored 16-11-18	Undead Giant (Double Sickle)	Watchdog	Pth Elder L4 BLB(head)	False depth Pthumeru Ihyll chalice, scorpions in oil pool close to L1 lamp drop Cursed Dirty gems for early Rapid Poison gem farming. Copy of s8cyrf7f. L1 preboss bonus room - Lost Reiterpallasch. BPS in first bonus room. L1 main room also has fire sword knights that can be farmed for cursed radials. L2: fire sickle madman guarding lever (can be farmed for cursed radials). L3 has a lot of loot (vials, bullets, tomb mold, ritual blood...). L4: Old Great One Coldblood, Lake tier 3 in coffin guarded by rolling fatty.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	ypb28myh	Explored 16-11-18	Keeper	Brainsucker	Celestial Emissary	False depth Isz chalice. Layer 1 first bonus room: Deep Sea tier 3, second bonus room: Arcane Lake tier 3.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses			Description
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	qkmrexsv	Explored 16-11-18	Undead Giant (Cannon)	Boar	Pth Elder	False depth Pthumeru Ihyll chalice. Layer 1 first bonus room: Logarius' Lost Wheel. 1 RB(5) in a chest on a balcony that faces the pre lamp corridor. 2 more RB(5) in the treasure room. 2 Tomb Mold(5) in a room on the opposite side of the treasure room. 2 more RB(5) in a chest up the first ladder in the main area. Layer 2: 2 TM(5) in a small chest at the start of the pre lamp. 4 Fire Papers in the room with the shotgun Pthumerian and his dogs. 3 tier Heir Rune in the coffin, guarded by a club Watchers and a lot of Pthumerians. Brainsucker guarding the lever, can be farmed for early Flat ARC gems. 2 RB(5) and 4 Fire Paper in the cave under the main lift, 1 Kin Coldblood(12) in the other cave in the same spot. 2 TM(5) and 4 more Fire Papers on the sides of the layer door. Pre-boss bonus room: 2 TM (5) on the other side of the canyon area. Cleaver Watcher and hook Gravedigger guarding the coffin with Blood Rock, Kin Coldblood (12) in the treasure room. Layer 3: 2 YB in a small chest atop the main lift. Katana wielding Shadow of Yharnam on the spiral staircase in the pre boss. 3 TM(5) on the other side of the drawbridge and a Messenger Bath and a chest with 3 Red Jelly. GoW in the area underneath the drawbridge. Sickle Madman and rats guarding a Tier 3 Lake Rune in the coffin.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	ytc6wn3u	Explored 16-11-18	LSilverbeast	Headless BLB	LDarkbeast	False depth Loran chalice. L1 Clear Deep Sea, sleeping BPS under treasure room. Odd fire waning gem (add fire +30) in a chest. Lost Stake Driver in 2nd treasure room. L2: 1x RB(5) and 1 kin Coldblood. L3: Beast tier 3 rune guarded by Silverbeast. Glitched door (can be opened twice). 9x bolt paper on this layer, 14x Blooming Coldblood Flower, 2x beast blood pellet.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	258eatgn	Explored 16-11-18	Brainsucker	Watchers	Amygdala	False depth Isz chalice. L1 Watcher guarding coffin in first bonus room can be farmed for 25.3% physical and elemental triangles.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	sgcwqhxf	Explored 21-12-18	Boar	Undead Giant (Cannon)	BSB	False depth story Hintertomb with Layer 4 open. Empty Phantasm Shell can be found on a corpse in special treasure room in the main area.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	vq6gvene	Explored 21-12-18	BLB	Boar	LDarkbeast	False depth Loran. L1 first bonus room: 21.8 fire waning gem in coffin guarded by madman. Red aura madman near lamp can be farmed for cursed waning gems (fire, bolt) with doubled secondary effects.
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	z57ajjqd	Explored 21-12-18	BSB	Keeper	Amygdala, L4: LDarkbeast	False depth Loran. L1 pre boss bonus room: Beast tier 3, pre lamp: Fading Lake tier 3. L2 preboss x6 Blooming Coldblood Flower, x3 TM (5); corpse madman, guarding coffin drops ~20% phys wanings. L3 preboss x9 RB(5), x3 TM(5), x5 Blooming Coldblood Flower. L4 preboss x6 TM(5), Gow in a coffin, glitched ladder connects to nothing. L4 main Great One Coldblood, x2 Bastard of loran, x7 RB(5). L4 preboss x14 Blooming Coldblood Flower.
Note: For being able to use glyphs of above "save-edited" chalice dungeons you only have to unlock regular Root Pthumeru (depth 1).
Ailing Loran Depth 4	xdq5insd	Explored 01-12-17	Watchdog of the Old Lords	Beast-possessed Soul	Pthumerian Elder	Depth 4 Ailing Loran; Glyph for this CD had expired. It was recreated and revived so it could be Shared again, includes a magic portal and a roaming Abhorrent Beast on L2. Overlapping layers in bonus room on L1, Lost Rifle Spear on L1 first bonus room.

Notes - Blood Gems in false depth dungeons

The way these dungeons seem to be created is that they are generated as depth 5 or 4 but the code for area and depth is changed to depth 1 Pthumeru. The layout and default loot (runes, weapons and items in chests and on corpses) stays the same but the area change apparently affects gem effects dropped by enemies with varied loot tables.

What this means is that enemies who should drop gems with effects from Loran or Isz loot table drop gems with limited effects from Pthumeru, which makes it near impossible to get arcane, bolt and fire gems from them (unless they are fixed effects, e.g. Loran Darkbeast and Abhorrent Beast always drop bolt gems, or Watchdog that always drops fire gems. These gems will have secondary effects from Pthumeru as well) since bolt and fire effects are not native to Pthumeru. Arcane gems are possible to get there but their drop rate is very, very low.

For example, Loran Silverbeast and Scourge Beast in false depth dungeons with Loran layout drop tempering gems as the most common gem type with Pthumeru secondary effects like flat physical damage or Physical ATK UP at full HP. For some reason, other common Pthumeru secondary effects like ATK vs open foes UP or Charge ATKs UP does not seem to show up at all (tested on more than 100 gem drops).

Therefore, there’s most likely no way to reliably farm bolt and arcane gems early. Farming various enemies with wider loot tables showed that none of them can drop any elemental gems (note that the flaming weapon pthumerians will probably drop fire gems as they can normally drop those in regular Pthumeru chalice). However, out-of-shape are still possible. All gems are non-cursed by default, however, there are a couple of enemies who drop cursed gems even in non-cursed dungeons (e.g. enemies with fire-buffed weapons and some labyrinth knight and watcher mob variations). Bosses do not drop cursed gems.

The only potential advantage to this is that it’s now possible to farm tempering waning gems from labyrinth madman (red aura and flaming weapon madmen drop cursed gems) with Pthumeru secondary effects, something that is quite a hassle to get normally since you have to rely on out-of-shape or out-of-effect drops.

4 Additional Rites Chalice Dungeons

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses			Description
List of Chalice Dungeons with all 4 additional rites: Sinister Bell, Foetid Offering, Rotted Offering, Curse
S/F/R/C Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	dfebattu	Explored 23-11-17	Pthumerian Decendent	Beast-Possessed Soul	Bloodletting Beast
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	xrpwxqpj	Explored 23-11-17	Undead Giant (Cannon)	Beast-Possessed Soul	Loran Darkbeast
S/F/R/C Isz Gravestone Depth 5	vvmf7bbf	Explored 19-11-17	Brainsucker	Merciless Watchers & Chieftain	Amygdala
S/F/R/C Isz Gravestone Depth 5	hpgbw2gi	Explored 19-11-17	Brainsucker	Merciless Watchers & Chieftain	Ebrietas, Daughter of the Cosmos
S/F/R/C Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	zegwic77	Explored 26-11-17	Merciless Watchers & Chieftain	Beast-Possessed Soul	Bloodletting Beast (Headless)
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	jpkbnd99	Explored 26-11-17	Undead Giant (Cannon)	Beast-Possessed Soul	Loran Darkbeast	L2: The first two door in the first bonus room will close if you reset the map (e.g. Bold Hunter's Mark). First bonus room also has Illusory Wall in very uncommon place
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	athu7rsx	Explored 24-11-17	Beast-Possessed Soul	Maneater Boar	Pthumerian Elder	Empty entrance for 4th layer
S/F/R/C Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	upxshfna	Explored 24-11-17	Beast-Possessed Soul	Merciless Watchers & Chieftain	Bloodletting Beast
S/F/R/C Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	8mqcbh3u	Explored 23-11-17	Keeper of the Old Lords	Undead Giant	Bloodletting Beast (Headless)
S/F/R/C Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	qr6k5r4b	Explored 26-11-17	Maneater Boar	Keeper of The Old Lords	Bloodletting Beast (Headless)	L3: non-hostile Undead Giant (Cannon) in bonus area within the main room
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	2v8c6uzk	Explored 25-11-17	Undead Giant (Cannon)	Watchdog of the Old Lords	Amygdala
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	3pss6hwd	Explored 25-11-17	Keeper of the Old Lords	Bloodletting Beast	Loran Darkbeast	L2 main area connects to bonus room, can skip lever
S/F/R/C Isz Gravestone Depth 5	cvvcggi5	Explored 25-11-17	Maneater Boar	Merciless Watchers & Chieftain	Amygdala
S/F/R/C Lower Loran Depth 5	upbjaid4	Explored 08-12-17	Beast-Possessed Soul	Blood-starved Beast	Amygdala; + L4: Pthumeran Elder	F/R/C dungeon made sinister so Bell Ringer doesn't naturally spawn. There are Witches/Mad Ones here! L2 no door for pre-boss bonus area; L4 Bonus area requires hunter mark / death to get back to lamp. Has 9 sage hair in chest!

Dual Chalice Dungeons [spreadsheet]

Dual dungeons are save-edited dungeons with swapped Area and Layout Seed, or swapped bytes for drop tables assigned to each dungeon type. Most of them show up in Dungeon Search as e.g. Pthumeru chalice but either use a map from another chalice type or drop tables from another chalice type. E.g. enemies in Isz dungeon with Pthumeru layout will drop radials with effects from Isz. Only effects that aren't fixed to enemy type will be affected. This means that e.g. Watchdog will still drop fire radials but their secondary effects will be pulled from Isz pool of effects.

Loran -> Pthumeru - Loran dungeon with Pthumeru layout. Enemies drop radial gems with effects from Loran.

Isz -> Loran - Isz dungeon with Loran layout. Enemies drop waning gems with effects from Isz.

Isz -> Pthumeru - Isz dungeon with Pthumeru layout. Enemies drop radial gems with effects from Isz

Labyrinth	Swapped to	F	R	C	S	Glyph	Status	What to farm	Shape	Gem Drop [common-max]	2nd stat	3rd stat
Lower Loran Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	X	X	-	hkxs2r9r	Explored 27-06-18	L1 first bonus room - Labyrinth Madman	Radial	21.5% Tempering / Fire / Bolt	Double Loran secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Keeper; L3: Pth Descendant. Notes: L1 Watchers can be farmed for radials with Loran effects.
Lower Loran Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	X	X	-	3yhkj3n4	Explored 27-06-18	L1 Watchers boss	Radial	27.2% Tempering / Fire / Bolt	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Keeper; L3: Pthumerian Elder. Notes: L2 pre-lamp area: farmable Brainsucker. L3 Pthumerian Elder can be farmed for radial cold abyssals with Loran secondaries.
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	X	X	X	ps9dkvt3	Explored 27-06-18	L1 Watchers boss	Radial	27.2% Tempering / Fire / Bolt	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Undead Giant (double sickle); L3: Pthumerian Elder. Notes: L3 Pthumerian Elder can be farmed for radial cold abyssals with Isz secondaries.
Isz Depth 5	Loran	X	X	X	X	q6xrqxpm	Explored 27-06-18	L3 Amygdala	Waning	21.5% ATK UP	Random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Loran Silverbeast; L2: BPS; L3: Amygdala; L4: Pthumerian Elder. Notes: L4 Pthumerian Elder can be farmed for waning cold abyssals with Isz secondaries.
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	X	X	-	dyztrucs	Explored 27-06-18	L1 Labyrinth Spirit near lamp	Triangle	9.1% Tempering	27% Phys UP near death	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Undead Giant (chains); L2: Boar; L3: Celestial Emissary
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	X	X	-	dcnbnkce	Explored 27-06-18	L1 Brainsucker mob in 1st bonus room	Radial	9.1% Tempering / Arcane / Fire / Bolt	Arcane +67.5 (Flat)	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Undead Giant (cannon); L2: BPS; L3: BLB (head)
Lower Loran Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	-	X	-	aihgfa8r	Explored 28-06-18	L3 Pthumerian Elder boss	Radial	Arc Scaling +65	Random Loran secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Undead Giant (chains); L2: Watchers; L3: Pth Elder; L4: Headless BLB
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	-	X	-	e29jjsvv	Explored 28-06-18	L2 x2 Gargoyles near lamp	Radial	19.3% ATK UP	Random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Boar; L2: BPS; L3: Pthumerian Descendant
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	Hintertomb	X	-	X	-	8xs6m7sv	Explored 28-06-18	L1 Watchers boss	Radial	27.2% damage type (Hintertomb)	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Keeper; L3: Pthumerian Elder; L4: Headless BLB.
Lower Loran Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	-	X	-	j347u6me	Explored 05-07-18	L3 Watchdog boss	Radial	24.8% Fire	Random Loran secondary	Random curse
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	Isz	X	-	X	-	9jyi2cfz	Explored 05-07-18	L1 Watchers boss	Triangle	27.2% damage type (Pthumeru)	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Brainsucker; L3: Amygdala; L4: Celestial Emissary. Notes: Good for adept triangles and nourishing abysssals.
Lower Loran Depth 5	Isz	X	-	X	-	qtri4tam	Explored 05-07-18	L1 Watchers boss	Triangle	27.2% damage type (Loran)	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Brainsucker; L3: Amygdala. Notes: Dungeon is a copy of 9jyi2cfz but with different gem effects.
Lower Loran Depth 5	Isz	X	-	X	-	hqb4kguj	Explored 31-08-18	L1 Watchers boss (large 2-floor room)	Triangle	27.2% damage type (Loran)	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Pthumerian Descendant; L3: Ebrietas
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru	X	-	X	-	ds8h46f6	Explored 31-08-18	L4 Pthumerian Elder boss (oil pool)	Radial	Arc Scaling +65	Random Isz secondary	Random curse (halved)
Notes: L1 fire sickle Madman can be farmed for radials with Isz effects.

Labyrinth	Swapped to	F	R	C	S	Glyph	Status	What to farm	Shape	Gem Drop [common-max]	2nd stat	3rd stat
Lower Loran Depth 5	Sinister Ihyll	-	-	X	-	zneeupmr	Explored 31-08-18	L3 Wandering Abhorrent Beast (doesn't respawn - save scum)	Radial	21.8% Bolt	Double random Loran secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Pthumerian Elder; L2: Undead Giant(Club and Hook); L3: Rom. Notes: L3 Rom can be farmed for 19.5% radial abyssals with Loran secondaries.
Lower Loran Depth 5	Isz	X	-	X	-	5z5jy6uu	Explored 28-10-18	L1 Watchers boss (large 2-floor room, start on top)	Triangle	27.2% damage type (Loran)	Random curse	-
Bosses: L1: Watchers; L2: Brainsucker; L3: Pthumerian Elder; L4: Amygdala. Notes: L3 Elder can be farmed for triangle cold abyssals with Loran secondaries. L4 Amygdala can be farmed for triangles with Loran secondaries.
Isz Depth 5	Pthumeru Ihyll	X	-	X	-	z5rmmq6e	Explored 28-10-18	L1 next to lamp - Labyrinth Madman	Radial	21 % damage type (Isz)	Double random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: BPS; L2: Watchdog; L3: BLB Notes: L1 has Lost Reiterpallasch and Lost Logarius' Wheel
Lower Loran Depth 5	Pthumeru Ihyll	X	-	X	-	q6iimvh2	Explored 28-10-18	L1 next to lamp - Labyrinth Madman	Radial	21 % damage type (Loran)	Double random Loran secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: BPS; L2: Watchdog; L3: BLB Notes: L1 has Lost Reiterpallasch and Lost Logarius' Wheel
Isz Depth 5	Lower Loran	X	-	X	-	y6n9tqm2	Explored 28-10-18	L4 Amygdala	Waning	21.5% ATK UP	Random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Loran Silverbeast; L2: BPS; L3: Abhorrent Beast; L4: Amygdala
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	Isz	X	-	X	-	3wfuiw8v	Explored 28-10-18	L4 Amygdala	Triangle	21.5% ATK UP	Random Pthumeru secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Brainsucker; L2: Boar; L3: Celestial Emissary; L4: Amygdala
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	Loran	X	-	X	-	xvnu2nnq	Explored 28-10-18	L4 Amygdala	Waning	21.5% ATK UP	Random Pthumeru secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Loran Silverbeast; L2: BPS; L3: Abhorrent Beast; L4 Amygdala
Isz Depth 5	Lower Loran	X	-	X	-	v9dnsnzp	Explored 28-10-18	L1 2x Labyrinth Madman, 2nd room from main lamp	Waning	21 % damage type (Isz)	Double random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: BPS; L2: Keeper; L3: Loran Darkbeast
Hintertomb Depth 2	Pthumeru	X	-	X	-	w2699ueq	Explored 03-12-18	L1 Brainsucker in lever room	Radial	9.1% damage type (Hintertomb) / 7.2 Rapid Poison	Arcane +67.5 (Flat)	Random curse
Bosses: L1: BPS; L2: Keeper; L3: Descendant
Hintertomb Depth 2	Isz	X	X	X	-	r9qumfqr	Explored 03-12-18	L1 Brainsucker boss	Triangle	9.1% damage type (Hintertomb) / 7.2 Rapid Poison	Arcane +72.5 (Flat)	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Brainsucker; L2: Watchers; L3: Elder; L4: Celestial Emissary
Lower Loran Depth 5	Hintertomb	X	X	X	-	e7pn4c4b	Explored 03-12-18	L1 Labyrinth Madman near lamp	Waning	21 % damage type (Hintertomb)	Double random Hintertomb secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: Watchdog; L2: Loran Silverbeast; L3: Amygdala

Labyrinth	Swapped to	F	R	C	S	Glyph	Status	What to farm	Shape	Gem Drop [common-max]	2nd stat	3rd stat
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	Isz	X	X	X	-	8yh2ywcg	Explored 03-12-18	L3 x5 Gargoyles in lever room	Radial	19.3% ATK UP	Random Isz secondary	Random curse
Bosses: L1: BPS; L2: Boar; L3: Pthumerian Descendant. Notes: This is fundamental for farming those gargoyles effectively: DO NOT aggro them. Ignore them and go kill the watcher guarding the lever first, or they'll glitch inside the ceiling. One of those five gargoyles will always glitch regardless of your actions, though.
Notes: The "%damage type" values listed here represent the max value of common gem types (Tempering, Bolt, Fire, Arcane). Uncommon and rare gem types can reach higher values (e.g. Striking, Poorman, Fool's, Adept, Beasthunter, Kinhunter etc.)

Static Dungeons [spreadsheet]

Static dungeons are save-edited dungeons that allow us to farm gems with certain effects at near guaranteed drop rate, e.g. Striking and/or Finestrike (Open Foes) as either primary or secondary effect on all gems you'll find. Static dungeons are still in testing phase and the variety of static effects is for now very limited.

Labyrinth	F	R	C	S	Glyph	Status	Static Effect	Shape	Bosses	Additional loot/notes
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	-	-	X	-	j6pkwsdp	Explored 11-11-18	Open Foes (secondary)	Radial	Watchers, Keeper, Pthumerian Elder, Headless BLB	L3: 2x gargoyles can be farmed for nourishing radials with guaranteed Open Foes secondary
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	xs3cnxs6	Explored 11-11-18	Open Foes (secondary)	Radial	Watchers, BPS, BLB, Headless BLB	L4: 2x gargoyles can be farmed for nourishing radials with guaranteed Open Foes secondary
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	ywwffubu	Explored 11-11-18	Charge ATK UP	Triangle	Watchers, Pthumerian "Elder", Ebrietas
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	pgt39my4	Explored 11-11-18	Charge ATK UP	Radial	Watchers, Undead Giant(Cannon), Pth Descendant	L3: gargoyle can be farmed for nourishing raidals with guaranteed Striking secondary
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	e8um2a42	Explored 03-12-18	Open Foes (secondary), Phys. UP near death - very high drop rate	Radial	Watchers, BPS, Headless BLB	L2: 2x Labyrinth Spirits can be farmed for Poorman gems with high chance of getting Poorman secondary. Madman facing a wall can be farmed for Poorman gems.
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	khsva3kx	Explored 03-12-18	Phys. UP near death - very high drop rate	Triangle	Undead Giant (chains), Boar, Celestial Emissary	L1: main area Labyrinth Spirit can be farmed for Poorman gems with very high chance of getting Poorman secondary.
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	X	X	-	ca8pxpgb	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Radial	Boar, BPS, Pthumerian Descendant	L2: 2x Gargyoles near lamp can be farmed for Nourishing radials with guaranteed flat phys secondary
Isz Depth 5	X	X	X	-	u7kwnzsa	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Triangle	Boar, Brainsucker, Amygdala
Lower Loran Depth 5	X	X	X	-	yqmb73dk	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Waning	Keeper, BPS, Amygdala	L1: Sleeping BPS and Cainhurst NPC hunter can be farmed for triangles
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	j37wapj3	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Radial	Undead Giant (chains), Keeper, BLB, HBLB
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	q5kwn7mh	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Radial	BPS, Watchdog, BLB	L1: red aura madman next to lamp can be farmed for radials with guaranteed flat phys secondary
Lower Loran Depth 5	X	-	X	-	u9mb74p2	Explored 03-12-18	Add physical ATK (secondary)	Waning	BPS, Keeper, Loran Darkbeast	L1: 2x madman near lamp can be farmed for wanings with guaranteed flat phys secondary
Isz Depth 5	X	-	X	-	2tby7dr8	Explored 03-12-18	Physical ATK UP	Triangle	Watchers, Pthumerian "Elder", Ebrietas	L1: Watchers can be farmed for Adept triangles (lower drop rate than Phys ATK UP)
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	g96s6qa9	Explored 27-12-18	Open Foes (secondary)	Waning	Loran Silverbeast, BPS, Abhorrent Beast, Amygdala
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	-	X	-	72acgdcf	Explored 27-12-18	Open Foes (secondary)	Triangle	Watchers, Brainsucker, Amygdala
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	X	X	-	sk4giwjz	Explored 27-12-18	ATK up at full HP / near death, Add arcane ATK secondary (high drop rate) / some other effects can appear too	Radial	Boar, BPS, Pthumerian Descendant	L2: Gargoyles near lamp can be farmed for radials with high chance of ATK UP at full HP / near death or flat arcane secondary

Labyrinth	F	R	C	S	Glyph	Status	Static Effect	Shape	Bosses	Additional loot/notes
Isz Depth 5	X	X	X	-	ketii3un	Explored 27-12-18	ATK up at full HP / near death, Add arcane ATK secondary (high drop rate) / some other effects can appear too	Triangle	Boar, Brainsucker, Amygdala
Lower Loran Depth 5	X	X	X	-	6kygx5w6	Explored 27-12-18	ATK up at full HP / near death, Add arcane ATK secondary (high drop rate) / some other effects can appear too	Waning	Keeper, BPS, Amygdala
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	X	X	X	-	r5z792fv	Explored 27-12-18	ATK up at full HP / near death, Add arcane ATK secondary (high drop rate) / some other effects can appear too	Radial	Undead Giant (chains), Watchers, Pthumerian Elder

Reverse Depth Dungeons [spreadsheet]

Reverse depth dungeons are the opposite of False depth dungeons - they are depth 1 dungeons swapped via save editor to depth 5. The difficulty of enemies and loot (including gems) corresponds to depth 1 with the difference that bosses drop Blood Stone Chunks and Blood Rocks (about 10% chance from Layer 3 boss). This makes these dungeons a good source for easy Chunk, Blood Rock and Insight farming.

How to access: Kill Watchers boss in the first story Pthumeru Use glyph pxmq3t98 and buy Sinister Pthumeru Ihyll Root chalice from Bath Messenger on layer 1 After buying the chalice you can access all Reverse depth dungeons

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Bosses	Notes
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	yjhmdxgf	Explored 30-11-18	Watchers, Boar, Watchdog
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	yei7em39	Explored 30-11-18	Boar, Watchers, Undead Giant	L3: Bath Messenger
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	xtr8nc4p	Explored 30-11-18	Watchers, Boar, BPS	L2: preboss bonus room: Uncanny Saw Cleaver
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	bej77ini	Explored 30-11-18	Watchers, Boar, Watchdog	L1: Pilgrim, L3: Uncanny Saw Cleaver
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	vfcnfjus	Explored 30-11-18	Watchers, Boar, BPS	L1: Bloodtinge circle gem (2), 10x Bone Marrow Ash in treasure coffin
Pthumeru Ihyll Depth 5	dz48cmwr	Explored 30-11-18	Boar, Watchers, Watchdog	L1: 6x Fire Paper in treasure coffin, L2: Pilgrim, L3: 10x Bone Marrow Ash in treasure coffin

False Depth Story Dungeons

False depth story dungeons are similar to false depth dungeons but they use maps from the story chalices. This allows players to skip most of the chalice path and go to Isz/Loran/Ihyll right after obtaining the first pthumeru root chalice. The bosses in false depth story chalices drop root chalices as they usually would in normal story chalices, and sinister root chalices can be bought in Bath Messenger shop at their appropriate locations. False depth story dungeons: Glyph Story Chalice Status ux2bg9mk Lower Pthumeru Active 2wwfy7py Lower Hintertomb Active 3aqbyx95 Pthumeru Ihyll Active c76p8sbe Ailing Loran Active zqxwj9g4 Lower Loran Active zwmn9yzn Isz Active

You can get the Sinister Root Chalices from these false depth dungeons. The bath messenger that sells it is on L1: go outside the layer 1 lamp and up the ladder on your left. There's a corridor with a couple of pthumerians. The bath messenger is in the room at the end. All these glyphs are copies of one dungeon (depth 1 pthumeru root), so the bath messenger is always in the same spot. False depth Bath Messenger with Sinister Root chalices: Glyph Sinister Chalice Status fpe7d59k Sinister Lower Pthumeru Root Active wsch3rp6 Sinister Hintertomb Root Active pxmq3t98 Sinister Ihyll Root Active 4wihjnbt Sinister Loran Root Active g62vwhrw Sinister Isz Root Active

By using false depth dungeons you can significantly shorten your journey to the F/R/C Isz Gravestone. Follow this document for optimal path and farming.

Layer 4 in Story Chalice Dungeons [reddit]

Most of the fixed (story) chalice dungeons actually have a fully functional 4th layer (opened via hex editing). The Great Pthumeru Ihyll is the only story chalice that doesn’t have a 4th layer, making its 3th layer with Queen Yharnam a final destination. During the exploration of these new areas there have been encountered several fascinating oddities. Such as Empty Phantasm Shell can be looted from several corpses in 4th layer of Hintertomb and Lower Hintertomb [video], previously unseen new variant of Labyrinth Madman wielding a broken greatsword similar to Labyrinth Warriors’.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Layer 4 boss	Notes
Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 1	78gxemhj	Explored 06-07-18	Watchdog of the Old Lords	Pthumeru Root (d1) normally never has a 4th layer, boss is also in L3
Central Pthumerian Labyrinth Depth 2	py4wgvii	Explored 06-07-18	Pthumerian Descendant	Boss also in L3
Cursed Pthumerian Defilement Depth 4	vsyxeprn	Explored 06-07-18	Blood-starved Beast	Very uncommon boss in this chalice [video]
Hintertomb Labyrinth Depth 2	7csbuawf	Explored 06-07-18	Blood-starved Beast	Boss also in L3. Empty Phantasm Shell can be looted on L4
Lower Hintertomb Labyrinth Depth 3	xsyn8gja	Explored 06-07-18	Bloodletting Beast (with head)	Empty Phantasm Shell can be looted on L4. Room with many misplaced statues, misplaced shooting trap
Ailing Loran Depth 4	r27w65u9	Explored 06-07-18	Abhorrent Beast	Boss also in L3
Lower Loran Depth 5	d698336c	Explored 06-07-18	Abhorrent Beast	Boss also in L2, new Labyrinth Madman variant in 1st bonus room L4, big room with 9 bells. Indestructible chest blocking path to shortcut
Isz Gravestone Depth 5	zs4jyz8g	Explored 06-07-18	Pthumerian Elder	uncommon chest placement, uncommon arrowtrap placement without pressure plate

Testing Chalice Dungeons

Testing Chalice Dungeons with unused Chalice IDs. Including unused enemies and bosses. Chalice Dungeon for testing objects is divided into three layers, one for Pthumeru, one for Loran, and one for Isz. Test Dungeons behave inconsistently. In some, falling to your death in the void returns you to the start of the dungeon. In others, falling returns you to the Hunter's Dream. That means there are "Safe" Test Dungeons that can be released to the public guilt-free. Glyphs share here are safe so in order to leave the dungeon, walk off the map and allow yourself to fall all the way to the bottom. You'll lose your Blood Echoes but nothing else. [wiki-page] List of Safe Test Chalice Dungeons, on January 9, ZullieTheWitch posted all testing chalice dungeons which can be safely exited without locking player in endless loop within the dungeon. Boss Rush Dungeons: In the code there are several boss rush dungeons which consist of two boss rooms divided by corridor with illusory wall which would most likely disappear after first boss dies. After killing second boss ending lamp appears. In current state you cannot use nor play them without save editor as you spawn incapable of fighting any bosses due to your spawn locations. There are three variants, using different types of boss rooms. Also there are multiple dungeons of each layout, with different sets of bosses. Some examples include: Blood-starved Beast and Watchdog; Abhorrent Beast and Loran Darkbeast; Amygdala and Ebrietas; Wet Nurse and Great One Beast; Pthumerian Descendant and Blood-letting Beast. It is unclear if they were meant as separate dungeons or as part of the dungeons which would have a "Boss Rush" at the end of the layer. For more information visit the Boss Rush wiki page. Game version differences UPDATE: When Bloodborne 1.04 patch was released, the developers accidentally included all the unfinished Boss Rush mode maps. Patch 1.05 deletes these, but they were also accidentally left behind on the Game of the Year Edition/Old Hunters Edition (1.06) discs too. This is why some of the chalice dungeons ZullieTheWitch granted us access to behave differently on the GOTY/Old Hunters version. If you manually patch to 1.09 (latest), you don't get those files, but if you install from the GOTY disc, you do get them. PS4 updates can not delete files, so if you installed 1.04 and then slowly updated all the way to 1.09, your game will behave the way the GOTY disc does. But if you never got that update, and never got the GOTY disc, you can't see the functional boss rush maps.

Bloodborne Game of the Year edition (CUSA03173) can ONLY load save files from itself, and from CUSA00207. The USA version of Bloodborne is CUSA00900, and installing the Old Hunters DLC will not change this, and will not make it compatible with Game of the Year Edition installs. If you buy GOTY you'll need to start a new save. There is a way around this, though. If you delete all the install data from Bloodborne, then use a proxy to trick the game into installing v1.04 instead of 1.09, it will install all the developer dungeon testing files that cause the cut bosses to work correctly. Then you can update to 1.09 and you'll keep the files, and it will behave the way you want it to. Doing this would require messing around with a proxy to trick the game into installing a not-latest update, but it's possible. [Lance McDonald] Testing Chalice Dungeons Gallery: For more pictures from unsafe testing chalice dungeons for developers and their oddities, visit its gallery wiki page. Exploring Test Chalice Dungeons: On this wiki page you will find photodocumentation & notes of every unused, unique or rare enemies, bosses, environment from developer testing chalice dungeons. Complete list of test chalice dungeons can be found in this spreadsheet. List of videos: [Video] Closer look at the buildings in the Mud Lake arena by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Chalice Odds and Ends by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Boss Rush Dungeons by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Unused Chalice Warrior by ZullieTheWitch [image] [Youtube] Bloodborne - Room Test Chalice hpe5p9mk by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Shared xxdy9dmm glyph by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Shared xxdy9dmm glyph by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Shared m2vgwtjf glyph by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Another variant of Amygdala, no physics by ZullieTheWitch; [Image] [Youtube] Bloodborne - Enemy Test Chalices by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Object Test Chalice by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Unused Chalice Beast by ZullieTheWitch [Youtube] Bloodborne - Unused Chalice Archer by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Shared arkhv2vs glyph by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Shared sikgc3sm glyph by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Found a bit of unused chalice architecture by ZullieTheWitch [Twitter] Enemy Test Chalices discovery by ZullieTheWitch

Unsafe Testing Chalice Dungeons

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Exit	Bosses	Description
?PlaceName? Depth 0	none	Explored 13-07-18	unsafe lamp only v1.0	Mergo's Wet Nurse	Testing Developer Chalice Dungeon; with two Mergo's Wet Nurse while one has exceptionally high HP, after boss is killed lamp will spawn on game version 1.0, in this dungeon you will find original version of Huntsman (Torch & Axe) as seen in Project Beast trailers, he has less polished animations and unique "torch searching" animation accompanied with unique dialogue such as "Oh, bugger! Where'd the beast go?" and "Damn! Where you hidin'?"

Safe Testing Chalice Dungeons

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Exit	Bosses	Description
?PlaceName? Depth 0	sikgc3sm	Explored 27-12-17	safe	Moon Presence	Testing Chalice Dungeon for unused boss, there is only one layer with boss arena. In order to leave the dungeon, walk off the invisible stairs and allow yourself to fall all the way to the bottom. The name of the boss is actually "Moon Presence" from what is displayed on the boss health bar. Nightmare is fan named on it's unique form. There is phantom at the sideway from the main corridor, probably the same interactible phantom as found in m2vgwtjf. [image 01, image 02]
?PlaceName? Depth 0	xxdy9dmm	Explored 29-12-17	safe	Great One Beast	Same testing Chalice Dungeon as previous one but with Great One Beast boss instead of Moon Presence final form. Boss can lose its fur during the fight, trigger seems random and it is probably connected to the game version differences. [image 01, image 02, image 03]
?PlaceName? Depth 0	8qf3rhbr	Explored 03-03-18	safe	Pthumerian Bride	Same testing Chalice Dungeon as previous one but with Queen Yharnam with clones as boss instead of Moon Presence final form. Clones have slight visual differences from the original Queen, they have a flat belly and a less detailed dress (and no-blood knife during the last phase). The Yharnam in the Nightmare of Mensis shares the same model as the clones. [image 01, image 02, image 03]

Music stops when near the edge of the map.	The sea floor has no animation and the player hovers on top while the area is surrounded by invisible wall.
The dungeon is closed therefore no coop via SRRC.	Normally echoes aren't lost when the player falls in the void but this isn't the case with this dungeon.
Cooperators cannot enter the fog gate but they can ring inside the boss area.	The invisible stairs would suggest it being a 3rd or 4th layer boss.
The door openning re-closes and creature respawns on reload.	There is no Bell Ringer to summon advarsaries.
Numbing Mist, Oil + Fire works.	Cooperators aren't kicked out of battle when the creature is defeated and the battle music keeps playing.
Pungeon Cocktails and Music Box have no effect.	The creature is instantly aware of the player's presence as soon as they arrive.
Shaman Bone Blade has no effect.
Note on game version differences: There are slight alterations between the player's game versions such as: Nightmare Moon Presence having or not having a proper boss health gauge, fog dissipating or not after battle, invisible lamp appearing or not, Nightmare Moon Presence being hostile before entering the boss room or not. UPDATED above.

Boss Arena Note: Moon Presence final form's arena isn't unique to it. There is a good amount of bosses you can meet there.

Labyrinth	Glyph	Status	Exit	Bosses	Description
?PlaceName? Depth 0	arkhv2vs	Explored 27-12-17	safe	Great One Beast	Testing Chalice Dungeon for unused boss, there is only one layer with boss arena. There are two doors in this chalice, a large one and a small one. The large one has an invisible wall you can get stuck in, so you'll have to Hunter's Mark back into the dungeon to get out of it. The small door is the real exit.

Note on game version differences: There are slight alterations between the player's game versions such as: The Great Beast being hostile or not.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

2c8czh8h

Explored 27-12-17

safe

None various enemies

Testing Chalice Dungeon for the enemies.

This dungeon contains some cut enemies: Patches' the Spider's floating head, Patches the Spider with a fall body that acts a Messenger Bath without conversation except when killed, Manpig and Pthumeru Spirit.	Even if Patches the Spider dies, the messenger bath can still be interacted with.
Killing Patches the Spider in this dungeon doesn't effect the main game one and respawns in this dungeon on reload. He also drops a Great One Wisdom on death. It was found that killing the real Patches in the Lecture Building after won't drop a Great One Wisdom. This would be a way of getting his Great One Wisdom without killing the real one. Also. As long as the real one in the Lecture Theatre is alive, he'll always say his death dialogue.	Some enemies drop Tempering Blood Gemstone (1) that have no effects at all with a level and rating of 0. This is confirmed to be true for all shapes of this gem Radial, Triangle, Waning and Circle (no Droplets).
There is an invisible Labyrinth Watcher (Cleaver) with only its cleaver showing.	Patches the Spider won't turn hostile when attacked.
There some Labyrinth Watcher (Cleaver) near the other side of the dungeon that are not hostile.	Blood-letting Beast's (Head Version) body can't be damaged.
There's a friendly Grave Digger.	Some Celestials stay under ground and are immune even to Madaras Whistle.
Video: Evil Labyrinth Spirit rapid messenger attack	There are invisible blocks in the middle lane of the room.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

nq4wggya

Explored 03-03-18

safe

None various enemies and Queen Yharnam

Testing Chalice Dungeon for the enemies, variety of enemies depends on your game version. Non-hostile Queen Yharnam, you can hear her sobbing and Mergo crying.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

g2xs4nmx

Explored 27-12-17

safe

None various objects

Testing Chalice Dungeon for the objects. It is divided into three layers, one for Pthumeru, one for Loran, and one for Isz. Lower floors have no collision detection so you will fall through them unless you land on some objects there. All the objects can't be interacted with. No chest can be opened nor destroyed. Some objects that normally can be destroyed are invulnerable.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

2grrxne8

Explored 28-12-17

safe

None various enemies

Small Testing Developer Chalice Dungeon. With interactible phantom at the start, unique staircase and unaccessible layer 2.Bells will only work when in "Layer 1" area. Some enemies are NG difficulty while others are NG+6. There are non-hostile crawler and large crawler in this dungeon.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

m2vgwtjf

Explored 28-12-17

safe

Mergo's Wet Nurse x3

Small Testing Developer Chalice Dungeon. Multiple dungeons with the Wet Nurse were found, always having at least one other Wet Nurse with her. Either it's some quirk with her clones, causing them to spawn all at once, or she might have been meant to be a multi-boss. This dungeon features three Wet Nurses, boss room has four different doorways and only two are blocked by fog gates so there are two doors to escape the dungeon from, one on either side. There's a lamp in the room but has no interaction functionality.

?PlaceName? Depth 0

hpe5p9mk

Explored 05-01-18

safe

None

Testing Developer Chalice Dungeon; a lot of small rooms layered on top of each other. It's strongly recommended to wear the Beast tier 3 rune before entering this dungeon to prevent fall damage. There is another hunter phantom that can be killed in the first room. There is a unknown enemy that has a unique buff that has a permanent effect until the player reloads or leaves the dungeon. The effect is much greater than the Rite Keeper's buff which increases damage and health. When Shaman Bone Blade is used on this enemy, player can benefit from this buff. It appears that this buff gives 4.0x physical AR boost (including firearms) and 2.0x HP boost. [video 01, video 02]; [HMS states, Without buff, With buff, With buff + beasthood + Bolt Paper]