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Basic Information

Tomb Prospectors found out the glitch in Isz Root dungeons that prevents some hunters from generating all Isz dungeon variations, called "32 pool glitch". Before going further here is brief summary on how Chalice Dungeons generation works in light of recent save-editing and datamining: dungeons are not randomly generated. Instead, they are pre-set layouts the player generates from an existing pool. This revelation is what lead Tomb Prospectors to start an organized exploration to map all possible dungeon variations. each root chalice has 100-200 possible layouts the player can pull. Isz root supposedly has 200 layouts. the estimated total number of root dungeons is 2200. This number might be slighly off because recent exploration of Cursed and Defiled Root seems to indicate there are more than 100 layouts for this Root (100 is Zullie's initial estimation). We'll see what can be found in the future. Months ago, /u/Kazin79 noticed there's something wrong with Isz dungeons when even after generating hundreds and hundreds of root dungeons, he was only able to get an extremely small amount of unique layouts compared to Pthumeru and Loran. After Zullie's discovery that Isz has 200 possible layouts, a more in-depth research began, only to reveal that certain players are only able to generate 32 different Isz dungeons out of the entire 200 pool.

This is how Tomb Prospectors big Isz exploration began, along with their research what could be possibly causing this glitch. Initial idea was that the player's level somehow affects the generation, as they tested more and more characters and it seemed like players above BL160 are stuck in this glitch. Further testing revealed that this is not the case and the current theory indicates that the player gets sucked into the 32 glitch after exploring certain amount of root dungeons. Now, Tomb Prospectors still don't know for certain what exactly is causing it. /u/MorosNyx has a theory that the glitch happens once the player gathers a certain amount of loot from Isz dungeons, which seems to be largely true, but it still need to be tested what kind of loot it is and if it's truly only tied to Isz loot and not all dungeons. As far as we know, once a player is stuck, there's no way out of the 32 loop and the only way to generate new Isz dungeons is to make a brand new character every time your current one gets stuck. Sinister Isz seems to be affected as well. No other root dungeons show any sign of this bug. The goal of small Tomb Prospector team (shoutout to /u/DrAnger90 who's been an invaluable help in managing all info and dungeon mapping!) is now to map all 200 possible Isz layouts. Big thanks to everyone who provided glyphs to test and explore!

Research Report [Feb 9, 2018] - spreadsheet, glyph dump spreadsheet

highlighted = stuck in making the same 32 common dungeons over and over again

Glyphs number 1 - 32 are what is referred to as the "32 common pool". The dungeons on the sheet are numbered by unique layouts (that's why you can see some numbers repeating. Dungeons listed under the same number are identical apart from the 4th layer which doesn't always appear). If you want to know how this mapping thing works, see this reddit post.

Name	BL	Info	CDs made		How many new	CD number		How many in common 32
Kazin79	544		300		Made first 32 dungeons	1-32
DrAnger	150	chikage char	15	5	were outside of first 32 and new	40 41 73 74 75	?	were in first 32
DrAnger	160	arcane char	9	0	were outside of first 32 and new		9	were in first 32
Trinx	200	all-around char (50 in everything except BLT)	15	0	were outside of first 32 and new		15	were in first 32
Trinx	150	Pure ARC (99 ARC)	15	7	were outside of first 32 and new	79-85	2	were in first 32
RenascentFire	336	Hacker hipster	12	0	were outside of first 32 and new		12	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Alex	10	6	were outside of first 32 and new	86-91	4	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Hipster meme	10	4	were outside of first 32 and new	92-95	3	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Austra	1	1	were outside of first 32 and new	96	0	were in first 32
Khwadj	70	Gudrun	10	3	were outside of first 32 and new	102 103 155	3	were in first 32
Khwadj	127	Gontrand	12	3	were outside of first 32 and new	104-106	8	were in first 32
Trinx	150		30	5	were outside of first 32 and new	107-111	11	were in first 32
MorosNyx	80		32	11	were outside of first 32 and new	112-122	8	were in first 32
Demyx	69		5	2	were outside of first 32 and new	123-124	0	were in first 32
Unbound King	32	Scrublord	15	6	were outside of first 32 and new	125-130	3	were in first 32
DrAnger	150	same chikage char	15	0	were outside of first 32 and new		15	were in first 32
DrAnger	75		15	4	were outside of first 32 and new	131-134	5	were in first 32
MorosNyx	80	same 80 as above	17	3	were outside of first 32 and new	135-137	11	were in first 32
Trinx	160	no dungeons created until now	14	2	were outside of first 32 and new	140-141	4	were in first 32
Trinx	140	no dungeons created until now (same as the 160 above)	14	5	were outside of first 32 and new	142-146	3	were in first 32
MorosNyx	142		20	0	were outside of first 32 and new		20	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75	10	3	were outside of first 32 and new	147-149	6	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75	10	1	were outside of first 32 and new	150	5	were in first 32
RenascentFire	110	Lautrec of Carim	12	3	were outside of first 32 and new	151-152	1	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Alex	10	2	were outside of first 32 and new	153-154	1	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75	20	3	were outside of first 32 and new	156-158	9	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75	20	0	were outside of first 32 and new		9	were in first 32
DrAnger	150	same 150 chikage	5	0	were outside of first 32 and new		5	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	4	made ~30 overall dungeons, ~2 isz ones	10	0	were outside of first 32 and new		10	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	61	almost none made	5	2	were outside of first 32 and new	160-161	1	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	21	almost none made	1	1	were outside of first 32 and new	162	0	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	44	almost none made	1	0	were outside of first 32 and new		0	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	61	almost none made	10	1	were outside of first 32 and new	128	5	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75 chikage (savescum used)	20	0	were outside of first 32 and new		20	were in first 32
DrAnger	75	same 75 chikage (savescum used)	10	0	were outside of first 32 and new		10	were in first 32

Name	BL	Info	CDs made		How many new	CD number		How many in common 32
RenascentFire	120	Alex	10	1	were outside of first 32 and new	101	4	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Hipster meme	10	1	were outside of first 32 and new	163	4	were in first 32
RenascentFire	118	Hipster hacker	10	3	were outside of first 32 and new	165-167	1	were in first 32
Trinx	140		15	4	were outside of first 32 and new	168-171	6	were in first 32
altairnaruhodou	61	almost none made (use of savescum)	10	0	were outside of first 32 and new		4	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Alex	10	2	were outside of first 32 and new	51 and 99	2	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Hipster meme	10	2	were outside of first 32 and new	164 and 63	2	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Alex	10	0	were outside of first 32 and new		3	were in first 32
RenascentFire	120	Hipster meme	10	2	were outside of first 32 and new		4	were in first 32
MorosNyx	53	The only root dungeons this character has ever created are listed below, also only 1 root chalice run EVER- pthumeru root chalice for the saw cleaver	64	5	were outside of first 32 and new	172-176	10	were in first 32
MorosNyx	53	The only root dungeons this character has ever created are listed below, also only 1 root chalice run EVER- pthumeru root chalice for the saw cleaver	40	2	were outside of first 32 and new	177-178	10	were in first 32
MorosNyx	53	The only root dungeons this character has ever created are listed below, also only 1 root chalice run EVER- pthumeru root chalice for the saw cleaver	35	4	were outside of first 32 and new	179-182	4	were in first 32
Rukomura	198	1 made before (did farm gems)	1	0	were outside of first 32 and new		0	were in first 32
Rukomura	200	1 made before (did farm gems)	9	1	were outside of first 32 and new	183	1	were in first 32
Rukomura	383	many other dungeons made, little isz	5	0	were outside of first 32 and new		5	were in first 32
MorosNyx	53	The only root dungeons this character has ever created are listed below, also only 1 root chalice run EVER- pthumeru root chalice for the saw cleaver	40	3	were outside of first 32 and new	184-186	6	were in first 32
Rukomura (brother)	380	made a couple of roots, searched for glyphs a bit more	5	1	were outside of first 32 and new	187	1	were in first 32
DrAnger	150	1 isz root made before this, Ive farmed like 100 watchers for blood atk gems, and 20ish watcher bosses for physical gems	10	0	were outside of first 32 and new		3	were in first 32
DrAnger	150	1 isz root made before this, Ive farmed like 100 watchers for blood atk gems, and 20ish watcher bosses for physical gems	30	1	were outside of first 32 and new	188	3	were in first 32